December 2010 Featured Activist, Stefan Molyneux

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Free Domain Radio I am Stefan Molyneux, the host of Freedomain Radio. I have been a software entrepreneur and executive, co-founded a successful company and worked for many years as a Chief Technical Officer. I studied literature, history, economics and philosophy at York University, hold an undergraduate degree in History from McGill University, and earned a graduate degree from the University of Toronto, focusing on the history of philosophy.

I received an ‘A’ for my Master’s Thesis analyzing the political implications of the philosophies of Immanuel Kant, G.W.F. Hegel, Thomas Hobbes and John Locke. I also spent two years studying writing and acting at the National Theatre School of Canada.

I have been fascinated by philosophy – particularly moral theories – since my mid-teens. I left my career as a software entrepreneur and executive to pursue philosophy full time through my work here at Freedomain Radio. I have written a number of novels as well as many free books on philosophy.

In my podcasts and videos, I try to avoid opinions, and instead talk about proof and rationality. If the theories I propose are reasonable, and are supported by evidence, well and good, we have both learned something. If not, listeners such as you are quick to point out errors, which I receive with gratitude. This approach is fundamentally different from most “talk shows.” I am a rigorous philosopher, and I will always bow to reason and evidence.

The only freedom is freedom from illusion…

Stefan Molyneux speaks with Joe Rogan on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. JRE #396 – Recorded on Friday September 20th, 2013 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Here’s part of that transcript. Source.

Joe: For folks listening to this. We are in Toronto right now. This is the first time I have met Stefan. I have met him just a few moments ago down in the lobby. But I have seen a lot of your internet videos, and I was particularly impressed with some of them, but really the Trayvon Martin one, I think you covered that better than anyone I saw online, on TV, in the media. You gave a real “the Fox” fair and balanced — you gave a real fair and balanced approach to that subject.

To me personally as a human being, that was one of the most frustrating events of our day, not just because a young man lost his life, not just because of the race bating that went on with it but the cloudy muddy thinking that I felt was perpetrated by the media and by politicians and by all these people that were looking to capitalize on that event. The thinking was so disingenuous and they were showing these photos of him when he was like a fucking baby. It was a really confusing stuff to me.

Stefan: And if you actually — if you look to George Zimmerman over time, the pictures got wider and wider like they actually applied photo retouching to make him look wider. Oh, yeah. It was like Gestapo-style propaganda. It was just wretched.

Joe: Wow. I didn’t know that they did that.

Stefan: And, you know, they edit it. His 911 call, right?

Joe: Really?

Stefan: Yes. So Zimmerman called and he said there is some suspicious guy rolling around the neighborhood, and then the dispatcher said, “What is his race?” And he said, “Well, I think he is black.” And NBC edited out the question. So it sounded like there is a suspicious guy rolling around the neighborhood. I think he is black, like he just — but he was actually responding to a question. They edited that out. The woman lost her job and then he is now suing NBC for defamation because they edit it to make him sound like a racist.

Joe: Well, I don’t know if it’s really bright for him to be involved any further in a legal system. But I think what they did was — it was horrendous. It was very strange. It was very strange to watch.

Stefan: But you know my approach — we always say we want to live in a colorblind society and I think that would be great. So for me, I always try and look at it like well, what if he wasn’t black? What if he was just some other white guy? What if they were both black? Or what if they were both rainbow colored with dolphin heads? I don’t know. But what if it had nothing to do with the — this was a black energy around race, the negative energy around race.

So for me, I really just wanted to look at that like that Joe Friday thing, you know. What are the facts? What are the facts? What are the facts? Because I really have striven, and it’s hard to do it in this culture to just treat people like color doesn’t matter. That means you don’t get to play the race card. I think it really would be great if we could achieve that. It seems so hard for people to get it.

Joe: Yes. Well, it’s too common. It’s like it’s almost — it’s just as a natural part of our culture. That pattern has been so firmly established. That path has been so deeply carved that people just slide right into it.

Stefan: Yeah. Well, I wonder too, this horrible shooting that just happened in the Navy Yard in Washington, Alexis. I wonder — there is no proof of this yet. Oh, bullshit hypothetical, but I wonder if this guy was a black guy and apparently he had a real chip on his shoulder about “I’m not going to get ahead because they hate me. The mighty hates me” and all of that. He had a real chip on his shoulder about being black and trying to get ahead in a white world or whatever.

I wonder if the degree to which they did not intervene in his — is obviously escalating mental health problems was because they were afraid that he was going to launch some complaint about racism and something like that. I wonder if that actually scares people off from dealing with people just like they’re human beings because they are afraid of that card getting pulled and then getting dragged into something god-awful.

Joe: Yeah. Well, it’s almost like we are still responding to the echoes of the inbounds of the past, the slavery era echoes and the civil rights echoes of the ’50s and ’60s. It’s almost like we are still not even — the ship hasn’t — we haven’t made it level yet. It’s almost like that’s why this stuff is still tolerated. It’s very confusing to me though when it’s so obvious and so blatant like it was in this case.

It’s also very frustrating to me because as a person who deals with a lot of martial artists and a lot of people with anger issues who have become really incredible members of society and really admirable human beings, people who have learned to harness this frustrated energy that a lot of young men have if they grow and confused households or whether the absentee parents or that neighborhoods or whatever the factors are that lead them to be these angry people, that can be channeled and it could be channeled into a way that develops character and it doesn’t happen.


So when I see a guy like Trayvon Martin do what he does and get shot and die and all this, I see a massive loss of potential just as a human being, a young human being. A young human being that commits crimes or does bad things in their 18s is not even necessarily a bad person. What they are more than anything is just misused potential and misguided. A human being is so incredibly complex. There are so many facets and aspects to be a person and developing as a productive member of society that it needs guidance, and most people don’t get that guidance. It’s up to them to kind of find it.

Stefan: I mean you see an unbelievable tragedy like that. I always think of like all the turns and the steps and the other possibilities that might have happened, early intervention, some teacher somewhere, some relative or someone who would have just seen something going off the rails and really stepped in and made a difference. I think that tidal wave can be stopped early. I think once it gains real momentum, it’s tough later on. We can turn it around, but early intervention, really, really seeing people who are going off the rails and then really working to intervene. If we could get that down as a society, oh, man, I think we’d live in a different world.

Joe: We would. I absolutely agree with you. We would live in a different world, but it is very, very, very difficult to do and incredibly difficult to pull someone out of that momentum, the momentum of being a bad person and almost reveling in it which is a big aspect of gangster rap and —

Stefan: Well, you know, they have done some really interesting studies. They just over the last 10 or 15 years, we see inside the brain like for the first time ever, with these fMRIs, they can really inside the brain. And they found people who have been identified as sadists and they show them, pictures of people being hurt intentionally and they are like happy, joyous, light up. They’re like brain gases light up. That’s so messed up because it’s like opposite planet.

We all think, we got this thing from religion like everyone has a soul and we are all kind of equal, all made in the image of God to this and that and other. But according to these people I have talked in a search that I have done, I mean there are some real predators among us who really are not kind of like us at all. And it’s somebody who sees some cat being driven over and he giggles and finds that really quite thrilling. Having that, I didn’t even know what species that is, but I think that there are enough people out there that’s going to make life kind of difficult for the rest of us.

Joe: Yeah. It’s a real issue. It’s very scary and how are these people becoming that? Is it because of nature or nurture? Is it because of abuse that they’ve personally suffered and sort of stimulate their —

Stefan: It seems to be, yeah. I mean this is the fascinating thing about epigenetics, right? I mean when I was a kid growing up, there was this nature versus nurture like you got your genes. That’s what you are born with, right? And then maybe you could influence it a bit with nature. But what they are finding out now is that genes turn on and off depending on experience. So they found like if you have a particular gene and you are a boy and you are physically abused as a child, almost for certain you’re going to end up on the bad side of things like you are going to end up violent and aggressive, criminal, in jail or whatever, right?

Now, if you don’t have that gene, you are abused, likelihood but it’s less. So certain gene’s progression get turned on and strengthened based upon your experience as you can end up — like twins who grew up in different households can end up with different genetics based on their environment. That’s what is so important about something I focused a lot on is the parenting, parenting, parenting it seems to me.

So many people are out there and they are just so messed up, like you just — you can’t rewind and you can’t send them down a different path. But if you kind of look at the next generation and the next generation, what if we could get the percentage of people spanking their children down from 90%, I mean it seems so weird in the 21st century that that’s how parents are really focused on.

Joe: Is it still 90%?

Stefan: Depending on where you count it, 80% to 90%. It’s less so in Europe like in Sweden, I think it’s been banned since like 1973 and you’ll know what hellhole Sweden is. I mean they are doing fine. But yeah, it’s still 80% to 90% in the — well, it’s legal here. It’s legal in America. From 2 to 12, you could hit a child in Canada legally, just not in the face and not with an implement. So it’s just — because these are the most vulnerable, tender, helpless dependent, lack of freedom members of society. But it’s hard to see how weird society that we have.

You had this great bit last night. Go see the show — if anyone is listening to my show. You had this great bit like what if space aliens come down and try and understand? You had Kim Kardashian which of course is tough enough. But what if they tried to understand our culture? Wouldn’t it make more sense? But you realize that the hierarchies and everything that we have, the wars, the prisons. For prisons, you need prison guards. For wars, you need soldiers. You can’t get healthy, happy, well-adjusted people to go out and do that kind of stuff.

So I think our whole society relies upon the maltreatment of children. If we didn’t have that, a lot of people who got a lot of money and power right now would kind of find themselves out in the cold.

Joe: Yeah. I don’t necessarily think that it’s engineered that way, but I certainly think it takes advantage of the situation at hand.

Stefan: Yeah. I don’t think there is a secret cabal, a secret handshake, but lions get together to hunt gazelles. They don’t have to plot it out in some smoky room ahead of time. It’s just their instincts to go get the gazelle.

Joe: That does get sort of hypothesized though, right? That that is what’s happening, that they are trying to keep people down with the lack of education. That’s why there is such little funding for schools and they are trying to keep people poor because poor people don’t raise their kids correctly and so on and so forth and then it continues.

Stefan: I think we have an instinct for domination as human beings and I think animals do too. They don’t have secret cabals or Rockefellers in smoky rooms organizing everything. I think we just have an instinct for domination and it plays itself out, but I don’t think it’s something written down and handed out in secret Braille scrolls or something like that.

Joe: I agree with you. I think we also have an instinct for escalation. No matter what, we always want more. If we make $500 a week, we want seven. If we control the Middle East, we want to control Africa. It’s a natural thing that if we do a certain thing, we will continue to do it and try to push the envelope further and further until we hit some sort of a wall or resistance. But I think in America we are starting to see that wall build up and gain momentum. The wall of resistance against the Syria invasion was bigger than anything that I had ever seen in my entire life. I had never seen a university across the board, the entire country go “Fuck this. This is crazy.” You are not —

Stefan: You know, this might be the first war. This actually stopped like in history this could be the first war that popular resentment and resistance has actually stopped against all the financial military-industrial complex momentum that is in the States which is huge. I don’t know if you know the fact that the people who voted yes for the war in Syria get 86% more funding for the military-industrial complex than the people who voted no. They are just voting to send money and blood to the donors. I mean, it’s horrible. But the fact that it might actually be pushed back and the fact that the Russian guy, Putin, is telling the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize to not have a war. I mean what kind of upside down universe are we living in, you know?

Joe: Not only that but Putin had a really interesting thing about claiming that citizens in the United States are exceptional and how dangerous that is and about how we are all just human beings and to have anybody established as being the exceptional people is a very dangerous idea. For the United States to sort of promote this idea that we as Americans are different like that’s — he is absolutely right.

Stefan: If an individual displays that characteristic, they are called entitled or narcissistic which means that just good things should come to me no matter what. And if they are not brought to me, I’m just going to go take them. That’s a really dangerous personality trait, but somehow it has elevated through the magic of patriotism into like wonderful stuff.

Joe: I find it fascinating. And as I get older, I find it even more fascinating because a guy like Obama — I’m 46 — a guy like Obama is just a couple of years older than me. So it’s not like this thing where when I was a boy and I would look at the president, they were way up there; they were different. They were always a part of this system, a ready political system, educational system, skull and bones. But this Obama guy was the first guy that doesn’t fit that mold to me and is close to my age.

The concept of me being a president is just the most ridiculous thing of all time to me, but this guy is essentially my — obviously more educated than me but essentially my age. I find it amazing how he has gone from being as political outside or this rebel, this guy who is going to change this Guantanamo Bay. And then all of the sudden he gets in and he is exactly the same thing that we have seen time and time again over the last eight years. It’s the same person as Bush.

Stefan: Well, and more.

Joe: And more.

Stefan: More drones. More detainees. The only reason he ended the war in Iraq was quite fascinating and tragic, if you have hope for the guy, right? The reason that they had to pull the troops out of Iraq was that Iraq was going to start holding the troops criminally responsible for what they were doing because they were facing such resistance from the population for the occupation. They finally said, “Okay. You guys don’t get it. Get out of jail free card anymore. We are going to start applying international military law to your troops.” And Obama is like, “Okay, fire up the airplanes.” We are going to pull those buggers out because they are going to be subject to the rule of law and they had to get them out that way.


Joe: Well, how about what he wrote on his own website, the website about whistleblowers and then removed it? He was called out on it after the Edward Snowden case. They said like, what did you say about whistleblowers? What did you say about whistleblowers who were exposing illegal activities when you were running for president?

And now here you are the most — as far as presidents go, there has never been a president that has been harder on whistle blowers than Obama — never — nor have there been more revelations and more important revelations as far as the direction of society and privacy in the United States that was exposed by these whistleblowers that has a massive impact on culture, massive impact on who has the right. Do I have a right to send a naked photo to a friend as a joke or is that going to be held against me if I don’t pay my taxes or if I have a dispute with the government over a certain issue? Are you going to pull things out of emails because they have someone writes bomb in an email as a joke? Does that get flagged and —

Stefan: As a comedian, that’s the words you may well use.

Joe: I use it all the time, yeah.

Stefan: Maybe not now. I defrag that. I don’t know what you are going to call it now. You can’t use that word anymore.

Joe: Yeah. I mean, but there’s a lot of hot words. To me that’s a dangerous thing to — I think what we are in right now as far as the whole privacy thing is this strange transitionary period to a point where I think ultimately there will be no privacy. And I think — I don’t think that’s bad because look, if we were all really cool and everyone was really nice to each other, privacy wouldn’t be as important. It becomes important when people violate privacy and there’s stalkers and there is people that fuck with people and people that have agendas to mess with people’s lives. But ultimately privacy — we are dealing with information, and the trend in society and technology seems to be the dissolving of boundaries between people and information.

I think it’s been amazing as far as education. When you look at your phone, you can Google something. You’ll have answers to any question. I mean this is — we live in an amazing time when it comes to that, but that trend — we always talked about escalation. It’s just what we do. That trend will escalate further and further, and I think ultimately it will escalate to the point where there will be no more secrets.

Stefan: Yeah. I mean, the technology that we are having this conversation, we can broadcast it to like millions of people. I got 50 million downloads of my show which for a philosophy show is crazy, right? But there is huge race. There is like these two bullet trains going across the landscape, and the technology of control versus the technology of illumination I think are really, really battling and we got to keep pushing the gas to stay ahead because we have got this incredible thing. You mentioned it in a show recently like the gatekeepers are down. And we can have this conversation, broadcast it directly to people.

Nobody has to tell us what we can talk about. Nobody tells us what words can we use or what concepts we can explore, anything like that which is unprecedented except maybe for the good and bad press like the 15th century when they printed the Bible and started handing it out to peasants in a language they could actually understand because before that, you had to know Latin and all that kind of crap. So they got to read the Bible for the first time and like, “Oh, shit! Are you kidding me? This is in here. This is in here.” They started to develop their own thoughts about it, and that broke down the monopoly of the Catholic Christendom which had been around since the dark ages.

So when you get information to people, you fragment the central narrative of a society which is great. That’s what you want. Central narratives are incredibly dangerous. Do you know who had great central narratives? The Nazis, that wonderful central narratives about the role of the white race to dominate all the other races in Germany’s manifest destiny in Europe. The communist had a great story about the rise of the totalitarian, destruction of the middle classes and the end of the bushwazee. Narratives that are really well inflicted and universal are incredibly dangerous. All the lemmings were on the same way.

So we’ve got this massive air strike on a central narrative which comes directly out of this technology which is why you can get exposed to viewpoints that you never would have been exposed before. Do you think before the internet, American media would be playing anything that Vladimir Putin said about Syria? You’d never even know the guy said anything about that.

Joe: Totally right.

Stefan: Now, you can get it all and you can connect with people. I want to talk about the comedy stuff where I think the connection stuff is really a good theme in the show last night. But there is race because the degree to which we can shatter the central narrative and individuate what we are doing in the world is they are racing with us to try and control and make us afraid to communicate with each other and afraid to get to the truth. I really view that as a pretty important race over the next ten years.

Joe: Yeah, I agree. I think there is — the real issue in this world is information and then, of course, the big one is the monopolization of resources. The monopolization of resources which are I believe — I think resources should be a global asset for human beings. I don’t think anybody should be able to control the amount of oil. I don’t think people should be able to control water. I think it’s ridiculous, the idea that a group of human beings decide to control water. I feel like that’s an act almost of terrorism, of social terrorism; the idea of keeping water from people that need water, the idea of keeping oil from people.


If we all agree that we are going to use oil, the Idea that one person can decide who owns this ship that’s been in the ground for millions and millions of years just because you planted a flag on a patch of dirt, it’s fucking craziness. But that’s where all the influence comes from. The influence comes from this massive amount of money that you can gain by controlling, monopolizing natural resources.

It’s just like when they used to be able to monopolize the information that was received just like when William Randolph Hearst basically controlled most of what information got out to people, ran newspapers. That’s a dangerous aspect of our world that is eventually I think going to crumbling under the weight of its own bullshit. I just don’t see how it can continue. I don’t see how people can continue to live the way we are living right now in the face of the information that we are being presented with.

Stefan: Well, you know, the great thing is once you go outside the narrative, don’t you find — I mean for me, I feel pretty retarded most of the time. I’m not a dumb guy, but I see so much information out there, so many things, so many stories. I could do all this research for my shows and stuff like that. I feel like I barely scratched the surface because there is so much information out there. With a central narrative, you feel like — well, we are a Catholic, so we are Jews or we are Jesuits. We got it down. We got the whole thing down, right?

But the great thing is once you shatter that central narrative, you realize there is such a vast amount of conflicting information and opinions and perspectives. I don’t know what the hell is true half the time. I’m lucky to get 10% of it. So I think that it reads a kind of humility in us that is the opposite of the desire to dominate.

The desire to dominate is well I know what the hell people should do. By God, I’m going to make them do it. I know they shouldn’t smoke marijuana. And if they fucking smoke marijuana, I’m going to round them up with cats in blue uniforms and throw them in a prison cell where 200,000 times a year they get raped. In America more men get raped than women. It’s the whole prison stuff, right?

You feel like you just know how the hell everyone else should live. The way we should help the poor is take money from this guy by force, give it to a giant bureaucracy, and have little drops of it dripped down to the pour to keep them in a dependent state so they keep voting for more and more government. If you really feel like you know exactly how people should live and what they should do, then you have no problem bringing out the air strikes of the military and the police and the prison system.

But if you are humble and you realize that we are pretty much retarded about everything, there’s a few things that I’m good at. But most of it, I’m not going to drill my own teeth. I’m not going to do my own appendix. I barely even clean my own house. But once you get exposed to a vast amount of contradictory information, you realize just like we are all kind of stupid. That’s why we should be humble and not order each around at the point of a gun which we’re so addictive to doing these days.

Joe: Jed McKenna had a great quote about that, about the bonfire of enlightenment. As the bonfire of enlightenment grows brighter, the surface area of ignorance becomes more illuminated. You realize the more you learn, the more there is to learn and then it becomes impossible.

Stefan: With human knowledge doubles every 18 months these days, like there is just no possibility that anyone can be anywhere close to mastering any significant point of it.

Joe: It’s great though. I think that’s great because I think that there is a real danger in claiming the kind of arrogance that comes from especially very highly educated people in specific areas. You’d be very highly educated in this specific area. They oftentimes are arrogant about things that they are ignorant about it, and it’s interesting to watch that become an impossibility. You are faced with such a massive amount of data that’s just got online on my Twitter every day. I am exposed to dozens and dozens of fascinating stories.

Stefan: I think we should spend a week or two in each one. We know because we got to live. We got to go make a buck or whatever, right? But I’d just love to dig into all these stuff and I’d love to learn every language there is and I’d love to know every song that was, you know. But you can’t.
Joe: I would like to get at least a small grasp of what the fuck they are talking about when they are talking about quantum physics. I would really just —

Stefan: That’s never going to happen. I think once you understand quantum physics, it changes on you. It’s one of those things. It’s kind of that fog.

Joe: Yeah. Feynman’s quote was it? If you think you understand quantum physics and you’d like to know their stand in quantum physics. I have read so many articles on it. I don’t know what — well, I’ll explain it to someone, they’ll say, “There’s this amazing thing that just came out today, but I don’t know what it means,” some geometric object that explains the interactions of particles and something.

Stefan: As long my shoes don’t turn into sharks that eat my feet because of some quantum flex, I’m okay with it. I know it does some creepy shit deep down. I know that also by the time it comes to the level of your sense, like it all cancels out and this is still going to be a table tomorrow, but deep down in the roots of matter, some really crazy shit that’s going.

Joe: Yeah. So the time a part is blinking in and out of existence, existing simultaneously in two different places in motion and still at the same time. What are you talking — I mean, basically what they are saying is that the heart of matter itself, the smallest measurable portion of reality is magic. I mean that’s really what they’re saying.


Stefan: Now, you know you are going to get emails from physicists saying, “Don’t call it magic.” It’s not magic. It’s just a little confusing there.

Joe: Thank you for correcting me.

Stefan: It’s magic to us, but then these microphones are kind of magic to me. Look, these little magic penises that record everything we say. It’s amazing.

Joe: I had Dr. Amit Goswami on my podcast too. He’s one of the great quantum physicists of our age who is just impossible to understand. I mean, he would just go over —

Stefan: He has gone so far into the bushes that changes —

Joe: He is talking magic. I mean it’s so strange, but that is the accepted smallest measurable part of the universe. It’s amazing when you really start and think about what we know about know nature and nature being fractal in so many different ways. The universe itself being fractal and when you get down to the smallest measurable components of reality itself being this strange fiction almost world, it’s so bizarre. It’s impossible to know everything. So I think this age of enlightenment that we are in right now is really unprecedented. I don’t think there has ever been a time like this.

Stefan: Yeah. Once you break down the narrative, right? So my boring education is on the history of philosophy and science. In the renaissance and the enlightenment is when people said, well God doesn’t answer anything. God is a barrier to an answer because the moment you say God did it, it’s like we got an answer. God did it. And it’s like — and then it becomes something that’s blasphemous to question.

So when people began to doubt the God thing, then they began to be able to explore. They began to say, “Okay. Well, if God didn’t do it, what the hell — how did we get here? What is the world? What is the sun? How does it work and all that?” I think we are kind of getting there in a really painful difficult way. I think we are kind of getting that because we have got this narrative.

In the future, I guarantee, it’s going to be completely insane to look back and say people ever believe this shit. I mean, the guys who cut their own balls off to go join that comment. You look back and you say, “What the fuck! It wasn’t there.” Someone who said when you are bringing out the pinking shears and taking off your tighty-whities, there has got to be someone who is saying, we are kind of going in the wrong direction here. But I think in the future, again look back at us like that and say, “What were they thinking?” Like we have these geographical areas, go countries and in those countries, we have a tiny group of people with all the guns in the world and they tell everyone else what to do and somehow we think this is going to work out fine.

Joe: I can’t believe I wasn’t recording. I wasn’t recording up until just now.

Stefan: Oh, I have.

Joe: Luckily. I have to get the first whatever minutes of it.

Stefan: Twenty-seven.

Joe: Twenty-seven minutes.

Stefan: We got it there. We got it there.

Joe: So folks who listen to this, we’ll normalize this.

Stefan: Here is where the voice quality goes up considerably.

Joe: Yeah. I suck at technology. I’m sorry. I can’t believe that this wasn’t recording.

Stefan: Well, we’ll just start again.

Joe: We’re warmed up. Trayvon Martin, blah, blah, blah, quantum physics.

Stefan: That’s where we solved everything.

Joe: We solved a lot.

Stefan: Those 27 minutes. That was it. We had the whole fucking thing down.

Joe: Well, I’ll make sure it gets normalized. I think that the enormity of the times we live in really — it’s really easy for us to not notice it or not — it’s so normal to just be able to call somebody on your cell phone, so normal to be able to get on the internet and just get information. I think the enormity of this as far as what that’s like in comparison to having to go to a library and to getting your education from a school which you are getting — if you are taking science, you are getting it from this professor. And this professor is going to recommend these books. There may be a completely opposing point of view that you are never going to be exposed to. Whereas if you Google something and then Google that phrase and then debunked, man, I can’t tell you how many fucking times I have had someone send me something. And then I’ll say Google what you just sent me and then debunked and then let’s talk.

Stefan: And if you haven’t read that stuff, then go talk to me because if you only get one side, it’s not any side at all.

Joe: Yeah, you are not. You are getting this weird sort of confirmation biasy thing that exists. I have heard that argument as to why the internet is bad, that one of the bad things about the internet is you seek out like-minded people and you sort of confirm each other’s biases and get together and pat each other in the back. Sort of, yes, but I feel like those are just little camps outside of the wilderness of information which is New York City. You might have a tent where all you assholes get together and say that you are 6,000 years old, but you are an hour’s walk from Manhattan. You are not going to survive….

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